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Co-Location of A Large Cluster of Other Living E-M84s & Abraham

As you will recall, geneticist’s working estimate is that the last major mutation of our male chromosome E-M84 took place about 1515 BCE in a region along the current Syrian/Turkish border running east from the Mediterranean.

A previous posting reported that Russian geneticists have determined that there is a 50% chance that we share that Y-chromosome with Abraham.

I’ve just learned that a cluster of more than 1,000 living males carrying our Y-haplotype (E-M84) is centred in the Turkish city of Gaziantep which is 90 crow fly miles west of Harran.  Abraham’s family came from that area, ancestors and his brother were named Haran and therefore it is believed that Harran was named after one of those ancestors.  Also, it is where Abraham, his wife, his father and his nephew traveled  after leaving Lower Mesopotamia. Abraham and his wife Sarai probably went via Gaziantep a little further west and then south to Canaan.  Gaziantep is only 70 miles from the Mediterranean.

Gaziantep has a population of 1.4 million and 4 universities.  It is among the oldest continuously inhabited cities in the world, probably due to being situated on trade routes.

Both Harran and Gaziantep are close to the horrible conflict in Syria.  Gazaiantep is less than 20 miles from the border and 60 miles from Aleppo.

Other Middle Eastern 1000+ clusters of E-M84 include:

  • Beirut, Lebanon
  • South Israel
  • Cyprus
  • Cairo
  • Medina

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Three different Y-chromosomes (E1b1b, J2, J1) are strongly common to modern Jews & Mediterranean populations with a strong Phoenician footprint

3 different Y-chromosomes (E1b1b, J2, J1) are strongly common to Ancient Hebrews, Phoenicians and Samaritans.

Genographic scientists in the American Journal of Human Genetics (AJHG-D-08-00725R2) shows that they left some people their genes as well. The study finds that as many as one in 17 men in the Mediterranean basin may have a Phoenician as a direct male-line ancestor.
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Research into Relationship Between Sephardic Jews and Phoenicians

Research into Relationship Between Sephardic Jews and Phoenicians

Thesis: There would appear to be a relationship between Phoenicians and ancient Hebrews from around the time of Solomon that stretches as far away as Cadiz in Spain. Is it true? If so, why?

1. Cadiz on the west coast of Spain/Andalusia Founded by Phoenicians; 1104 BC
2. From
“Evidence which suggests Jewish connections with the Iberian Peninsula includes:
• References in the books of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, I Kings, and Jonah to the country of Tarshish, which is thought by many to have been located in modern southern Spain (in ancient Tartessus).
• A signet ring found at Cadiz, dating from the 8th-7th century BC. The inscription on the ring, generally accepted as Phoenician, has been interpreted by a few scholars to be “paleo-hebraic.” “
• An amphora dating from at least the first century AD found in Ibiza, which bears imprints of two Hebrew characters.
• Several early Jewish writers wrote that their families had lived in Spain since the destruction of the first temple. The famous Don Isaac Abravanel (1407–1508) stated that the Abravanel family had lived on the Iberian Peninsula for 2,000 years.
Gadir (Phoenician: גדר), the original name given to the outpost established here by the Phoenicians, means “wall, compound”, or, more generally, “walled stronghold”. The Punic dialect lent this word, along with many others, to the Berber languages, where it was nativised as agadir meaning “wall” in Tamazight and “fortified granary” in Shilha; it appears as a common place name in North Africa.[4] The name of the Israeli town of Gedera has a similar etymology.
The city was originally founded as Gadir (Phoenician גדר “walled city”) by the Phoenicians, who used it in their trade with Tartessos, a city-state believed by archaeologists to be somewhere near the mouth of the Guadalquivir River, about thirty kilometres northwest of Cadiz. (Its exact location has never been firmly established.)

Cadiz is the most ancient city still standing in Western Europe.[1] Traditionally, its founding is dated to 1104 BC[5] although no archaeological strata on the site can be dated earlier than the 9th century BC. One resolution for this discrepancy has been to assume that Gadir was merely a small seasonal trading post in its earliest days.

One of the city’s notable features during antiquity was the temple dedicated to the Phoenician god Melqart. (Melqart was associated with Hercules by the Greeks.) According to the Life of Apollonius of Tyana, the temple was still standing during the 1st century. Some historians, based in part on this source, believe that the columns of this temple were the origin of the myth of the pillars of Hercules.[7]

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Riddle Me Wisdom – King Solomon to King Hiram & Vice Versa – Shared Language & Lateral Stimulation


Various forms of veiled and pregnant speech known as “riddles” and “dark sayings” were also much cultivated in this epoch of literature. Riddles have always played an important part in the story of the East. Josephus preserves a curious tradition that Solomon, and Hiram, king of Tyre, challenged each other to trials of skill in this form of “wisdom”—inability to read the riddle being acknowledged by pecuniary fines.5 At first Hiram was entirely defeated in this intellectual contest, but at last he discovered a Tyrian youth named Abdemon, of great natural gifts, by whose assistance he successfully encountered, and even defeated, his royal ally.
5 Comp. Theophilus in Eusebius, ” Præp. Ev.” ix. 34, § 19.

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