{"id":146,"date":"2014-12-27T16:15:45","date_gmt":"2014-12-27T21:15:45","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.sintheta.org\/mcgene\/?p=146"},"modified":"2014-12-27T16:20:47","modified_gmt":"2014-12-27T21:20:47","slug":"romania-8-latvia-9-ukraine-4","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.sintheta.org\/mcgene\/?p=146","title":{"rendered":"Romania 8, Latvia 9, Ukraine 4"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Are we closer to knowing paternal ancestry beyond Grandfather Frank?\u00c2\u00a0 Well, yes and no.<\/p>\n<p>Possible late 1800s &#8220;source&#8221; countries, ranked in order of probability, starting with the most probable country of origin, and providing a relative scale number for each, we have:<\/p>\n<p>Latvia 9<br \/>\nRomania 8<br \/>\nUkraine 4<\/p>\n<p>At 2 each:<br \/>\nPoland<br \/>\nBelarus<br \/>\nGhana<\/p>\n<p>At 1 each:<br \/>\nAustria<br \/>\nCzech Republic<br \/>\nRussian Federation<br \/>\nSwitzerland<br \/>\nSpain<br \/>\nHungary<br \/>\nLithuania<br \/>\nMexico<\/p>\n<p>I won&#8217;t go into the caveats for the above except to note that these scale numbers are based on the percentage of my matches relative to\u00c2\u00a0the number of\u00c2\u00a0tested individuals who\u00c2\u00a0identify with each of those regions.<\/p>\n<p>There is a strong Ashkenazi linkage to many of these matches. except for the Fante, South-West Ghana link. \u00c2\u00a0The Ashkenazi link would suggest that the individuals we seek migrated either in groups or individually from one Ashkenazi community to another.<\/p>\n<p>Confused?\u00c2\u00a0 Let me parse, as best I can.\u00c2\u00a0 One of the reasons we have not yet produced the answer we seek is that my knowledge, skill and experience is not yet up to the task of working with so much unorganized data.\u00c2\u00a0 What is relevant, what is related etc.<\/p>\n<p>From the table above the most that I can take, I believe, is that it narrows the number of potential source countries.\u00c2\u00a0 This enables us to focus, for the time being, on leads that relate to those countries.<\/p>\n<p>You will recall that early on in this search I came across 4th cousin Daniela (Dana)\u00c2\u00a0 Mahailovici, living in Haifa, Israel but with parental\u00c2\u00a0 origins in Romania.\u00c2\u00a0 She has enabled me to have access to a combination of family trees that seem to amount to several 10s of thousands.<\/p>\n<p>She suggested several lines of probability, specifically the Landesman family which led me to spin-off Pick\/Pik who had many family named versions of Frank including Franz, Frances, Francis etc.\u00c2\u00a0 Pick is still the most probable surname.<\/p>\n<p>This means that the table sort of confirms Daniela&#8217;s original suggestion.\u00c2\u00a0Questions arise because whereas Romania and the Ukraine are close to one another, their capitals about 1,000 km apart, Latvia&#8217;s capital is 2,000 km north and north of both Poland and Lithuania.\u00c2\u00a0 That is geography only. Migration forces are more than geography. Certainly the migration history of the region should\u00c2\u00a0clarify.<\/p>\n<p>The table was prepared by FamilyTreeDNA from all the 12 Marker Genetic Distance -1 for me.\u00c2\u00a0 The 64 people who match me give those countries as related to their families.<\/p>\n<p>The Ghana reference is the most curious. \u00c2\u00a0I mean, we look African,\u00c2\u00a0don&#8217;t we. \u00c2\u00a0It&#8217;s an anomaly. \u00c2\u00a0Our\u00c2\u00a0Y-Haplogroup, E, is the most common in Africa by far.\u00c2\u00a0 However, that doesn&#8217;t explain a -1 match since our\u00c2\u00a0Y-Haplotype&#8217;s last mutation was about 1515 BCE in the region of the current Syria\/Turkey border. My hypothesis is that the tested Fante individual, of the Akan ethnic group, has an ancestor who was either one of the Portuguese traders who established themselves on the African coast around 15 century or was one of the Phoenician traders who established themselves along the coast north and south of Gibraltar around 1,000 BCE, give or take hundreds of years.\u00c2\u00a0 The Portuguese connection would also relate to Phoenicians at their trading posts set along the Atlantic coast of Spain (Cadiz) and Portugal BCE.<\/p>\n<p>By the way, my only Exact Match reference cites\u00c2\u00a0Germany. \u00c2\u00a0I need to find out what that means and how to make use of that information.<\/p>\n<p>One of my frustrations with ftDNA is that I can&#8217;t yet identify the 64 individuals by their names and email addresses, unlike the rest of the site.\u00c2\u00a0 There must be a way. I&#8217;ve downloaded the complete list and search by the term &#8220;Romania&#8221; which has turned up a manageable list but it\u00c2\u00a0is\u00c2\u00a0much longer than the cited -1 list. For them I do have email addresses and names and in some cases family trees. More work to do.<\/p>\n<p>I may need to upgrade my ftDNA marker test. \u00c2\u00a0But for the time being, I can find no explanation of why that would be of any use.<\/p>\n<p>Stay tuned.<\/p>\n<p>Ian<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Are we closer to knowing paternal ancestry beyond Grandfather Frank?\u00c2\u00a0 Well, yes and no. Possible late 1800s &#8220;source&#8221; countries, ranked in order of probability, starting with the most probable country of origin, and providing a relative scale number for each, we have: Latvia 9 Romania 8 Ukraine 4 At 2 each: Poland Belarus Ghana At [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[5],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-146","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-immigration"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.sintheta.org\/mcgene\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/146","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.sintheta.org\/mcgene\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.sintheta.org\/mcgene\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.sintheta.org\/mcgene\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.sintheta.org\/mcgene\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=146"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.sintheta.org\/mcgene\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/146\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.sintheta.org\/mcgene\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=146"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.sintheta.org\/mcgene\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=146"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.sintheta.org\/mcgene\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=146"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}